I usually don't talk about current events much on this blog, but one thing has been bothering me for a while now. I think it's time to talk about it.
As I hope you know, Israel is currently at war in Gaza, trying, among other things, to destroy some terrorist organizations.
In my opinion, it's about time.
I was surprised to find out that my opinion differs with what seems to be most of the world's. It looks like most people think that Israel has no right to invade Gaza, that they are totally in the wrong.
As I'm sure you are aware, terrorists have been firing missles into several Israeli cities, most notably Sderot, constantly, for the past six years or so. I don't know if you understand what that means.
Basically, it means that when the people of these cities hear the warning sirens, they have fifteen seconds to run to the safety of a bomb shelter. And this happens constantly. I still don't think you understand. I know I don't. It's one of those things that you can't understand unless you experience it firsthand.
And yet, the entire world is condemning Israel, saying they're not right in finally fighting back to protect their innocent civilians. I wonder, would Americans be so quick to condemn this if it was, say, Los Angeles that was being bombed daily? Or Chicago? Or Manhattan?
Would our government stand by and watch while terrorists destroy civilians?
If it would, then there is a huge problem here. The point of the government is to protect its people. If America would not let terrorists kill its people, then how can it expect Israel to do that?
The terrorists are a bunch of cowards. They run into hospitals and hide behind their sick and weak.
Terrorism in Israel has been going on for years. Isn't it time that they finally fight it?
How can anyone say that is wrong?
Thursday, January 15, 2009
Finally!
Posted by griffinrider at 10:30 PM
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actually, we would say that it was wrong. when we were fighting the war in Afghanistan a lot of people were condemning it, even though they'd bombed the twin towers.
Something I think is interesting is when people say they support the troops but not the war. All the troops support the war. they've seen first hand what they're fighting to prevent and protect.
I know, it doesn't make much sense, does it? everyone's always saying, "We shouldn't have sent troops into Afghanistan." yes, we should have. when they attack our country like that, how can we possibly sit back and do nothing?
hmm. this isn't really something I've heard a lot about 'cause i don't have any TV or anything. hmm. i think war in general is just stupid, but if Israel was being attacked, they DO have a right to defend themselves.
"The terrorists are a bunch of cowards. They run into hospitals and hide behind their sick and weak." How would any of us know this? We haven't experienced it firsthand. The terrorists think they are doing the right thing. I'm not saying they are, their not, but does that really mean we need to ridicule them? They are our heavenly brothers and sisters. I wish there was no war in the world (don't we all?), but we don't need to make it worse by picking sides in something we don't understand. You guys are entitled to your opinion, so go ahead and say it, but I expect the same courtesy, please. All I'm saying is that we don't understand what is going on, so who are we to pick sides?
You can't say them fighting back is wrong. I don't know if it is time they fight back. No one's government should ridicule them, because we are not in the same position, and if we were, I can't say we made a better decision. Not that theirs is wrong.
To make sure I made my point: Who are we to pick sides in something we don't fully understand?
"The terrorists think they're doing the right thing." obviously. otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it. but guess what? the nazis thought they were doing the right thing, too. that is what evil is: doing something immoral because it's "what you believe in". the fact is, murdering innocent people like that is WRONG, regardless of whether or not they think it is right.
they think it's right to kill innocent people because they think that jews are the scum of the earth. and i'm not allowed to say that terrorists are not nice people?
don't get me wrong, i'm not talking about every single arab or muslim or whatever. i'm talking about TERRORISTS. people who think they have the right to murder innocents.
I don't think anyone want's war, but it is necessary sometimes. if you don't fight back, you either get killed or have someone else suffering to try to protect you. while it's true that they are our spirit siblings, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for what we believe in.
exactly, RM. i totally agree. i hate war and violence of any kind, but the fact is, sometimes you have to fight.
I said what I meant wrong. I did mention in my comment that it ISN'T right what they're doing, it IS wrong. You CAN say what you want, I'm simply stating my opinion, which happens to be very different from yours. Maybe I'm in the wrong here, maybe you do know what's going on. I just mean we don't to be, for lack of a better word, harsh about it. Maybe it is time to start fighting back, I wouldn't know, my friends know my as clueless. It is okay for them to fight back, I just... I guess I can't explain what I mean. Which means you have three options (or more) You can decide to take what I say offensively, you can ignore my comments as a bunch of ramblings and/or lies, or you can take my comments in stride as someone who disagrees from you in a friendly manner who cannot express what she is trying to say clearly, which is true. Sorry to bother you guys.
Nice comment Rose. *tired smile*
oh, if only everything could be solved through something as simple as the internet squabblings of teenagers!! then there WOULDN'T be war 'cause we all hate it. :)
The Israeli-Pakistani conflict is a little more complicated that that. Both sides have commited wrongs to each other and are partially to blame.
Gosh, Nira, i'm sorry if i offended you. i didn't mean to. i know you're just stating your opinion. i was just trying to prove a point.
true, cuppy. if only, if only...
ok, basically, war sucks, but the fact is that sometimes it's necessary, and i wish the media and evryone else will stop condemning Israel for doing what they have to do.
Most likely because the majority of Americans have no idea what's ACTUALLY going on over there. We only know what we hear on the news and since the news picks and chooses what to tell, no one ever knows the whole story. Which means we really have no right to be condemning things, when we have know idea what the REAL story is.
'There are always two sides to the story, and somewhere in the middle is the truth.'
In my opinion, all parties are in the wrong. We just can't see all of the mistakes that are being done over there.
It's okay griffinrider. I'm not offended. Silver, thank you for that first paragraph on your comment, that is what I was trying to say. Plus, IF we don't really understand what is going on in the war, do we need to make the war worse by choosing sides in something we may not understand? If you guys still don't get what I'm trying to say, forget about it. It will remain in my head until such a time as the world understands it. I like that way of life.
okay, i just had a really awesome comment. and i posted it but then the compy said "unavailable, please go back and try again". when i did, my awesome comment was GONE! NO! oh well, i'll try to remember it...*cries*
okay. i think i said someting along these lines:
I think GR is right. I mean if i was getting bullied everyday at school for a month, i'd fight back eventually. almost all of you would. how is that any different? it's not, really. only mine is at a school with 2 people. and the other is in the world, on the news, and it involves thousands of people. mine is small and theirs big, but that doesn't change the difference. it's still the same, if we're getting bullied or people getting killed for a long time, we're gonna fight back. so they can fight back. it's only right. and i'm sure america would do the same. so they shouldn't judge on by all the crap on the news. the news just want to put up things people will be interested in, so they take out lots of important (but not interesting) details. so there's a lot people don't know about it. that they should before they accuse.
now, on the other hand, are terrorists really bad people? i mean, what they do is BEYOND bad and horrible, but it's true, that some of them believe that what they're doing is right. so, can we really call them bad because they're following what they think is right from what they were raised to believe? no. we shouldn't judge like that. but it's the other way on knowing. i think if we were raised from a terrorist family, thinking it's right, most likely, we'd become one. thinking it's right. when it's not. so i'm not going to call them bad people if they don't know what's going on. then again, i think the ones that are bad are the ones who know. they understand what they're doind is wrong, and they continue to do it. that's what i think is wrong, who i think are the real bad people. they know it's wrong, but they do it anyway. there's no escuse for that. none.
sorry if i sounded pro-terrorist there. don't worry, i'm an anti-terrorist through and through!! but i'm also pro-fight_back_if_you_have_to_or_should
i'm proud of them for fighting back. beat the terrorists A! YEAH!
also, take note that i hate war with a burning hard passion. but sometimes, it's the only way out.
"The night is always darkest before the dawn!" i don't remember if that's the correct quote or not but still, it works.
it is true that the media tends to be incredibly biased and anti-israel. but i know a lot of people who are currently in israel, and they told me what's going on there, so i think i can say with reasonable certainty that what i said is true.
isn't it weird that israel is such a tiny country, and yet the entire world is obsessed with it and everything it does? the media, and other governments are always condemning everything they do. why is such a tiny country such a major world obsession?
the media doesn't just take out uninteresting facts. sometimes it's just very biased.
and no one's offended when you say stuff like that, i don't think, nira. We have debates all the time. (and i don't think of you as clueless, if it helps.)
i dont belive in war- for one human being to kill anothet, it just is wrong.
however you have to fight back you cany just let more and more people be slaughtered without putting up a fight.
i try not to watch the news, coz it depresses me but, i see this fight has been going on too long.
fighting is bad. but standing by and doing nothing is worse.
I think that war is wrong, and you should fight back. However, there are more ways to do it than war. You can call me naive, you can call me kind of stupid for thinking there is another way out, but that is what I think. Instead of putting on a full on war, you could make a peace treaty. I understand that sometimes war is the only way out, but not usually. You can get creative to find a way without war, but two wrongs don't make a right. I know I'm not making much sense, but, oh well.
Thanks for the comment Rose. When I was little, people used to condemn my ideas a lot, though I still think some of them were good. So now, whenever someone disagrees with me, I remember, and tend to get a little defensive. Sorry if I do, I don't really mean most of it.
a treaty only works if the other side wants peace too. sometimes there's another way, but not always. what does the BoM say about Moroni? (think it was captain Moroni.) I know it says something about how he was the leader of the army, but he did not delight in the shedding of blood. I think that's the key. sometimes war is inevitable, and then we have to fight, but we shouldn't enjoy it, that's when it becomes wrong.
Exactly, RM. you can't have peace if the other side wants war.
Isn't it just. =D
crap. sometimes i hate the world, but those times are my em-depression times. but i wonder, would anyone here consider me... evil? or...bad? or... wrong?
i mean, weird question, sorry. but still...i always wonder. and it scares me. i hate war and yet, fighting is one of my favorite pastimes. (not fighting as in beat up, just sparring with my BFF's). i feel bad about it. how can i say i hate it when wars happen and still fight others? it's like... i feel sad. i feel sad when i think about war. i feel sick and disgusted and like i'm going to die. it makes me hurt and it's horrible. i cry when i think about it. but when i think of fighting, like person-on-person. a street fight that involves me and someone else who wants to fight me, i'm joyed. i like the challenge. but, is it that way during war? is it? do they, when they imagine going onto the battle feild, get thrilled? proud to be in a war? not disgusted by war, but glad to be a part of it? sure, proud to be serving their country, but still proud to be fighting another. i feel disgusted with myself now. i'm gonna go to my room and be emo.
No Jin. I do not consider you bad or wrong or evil. I know how you feel, I feel very much the same way. If you are fighting to defend yourself, you can enjoy the sense of defending yourself. What is wrong to enjoy is killing or hurting the other person. If it is sparring, it is just a game. And while it still seems a little wrong that we can enjoy something like that, nobody feels bad about playing or watching football. That is also a violent game. Yeah, I feel kind of bad about enjoying sparring, but do we actually intend to kill someone? In war killing is in some ways necessary, or at the very least going to happen, in sparring or a street fight, it is not.
^^ thanks!
great. jin's in her emo corner again.
I don't think it's wrong. a lot of the joy is adrenaline, and let's face it, it is fun. some people might think that way about war, but that doesn't mean you have to.
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